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Old 08-04-2009, 09:50 AM
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Ugly guitars. Ugly logo. Just fucking kill them already. I've been watching the Kramer enthusiasts put hope into their revival for far too many years. It's not happening. Just let them die and enjoy the vintage guitars that are still out there.
yeah the reissue of the swan never happened, shame...
If they were smart they would reissue the proaxe
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yeah the reissue of the swan never happened, shame...
If they were smart they would reissue the proaxe
If they were smart they'd just stop and leave the guitar building to Charvel/Jackson and ESP.
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yeah the reissue of the swan never happened, shame...
If they were smart they would reissue the proaxe
I think that they would have hit a home run with either one of those, but especially the Swan.

Only flaw in that theory, is if the reissued the Swan, they would have to do it in solid colors. Then, everyone would be whining, and want lightning paint jobs, polka dots, and aztecs. Then, they'd whine because they raised the price so much to give the people what they wanted.
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If they were smart they'd just stop and leave the guitar building to Charvel/Jackson and ESP.
Their import line is probably made in the same factory as Jackson & ESP.
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NiteV looks like the Fernandes V...hmmm seems like everyone likes to rip them off lol. Striker and Disciple look cool too.
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why not contract with ESP for authentic stuff? I mean, ESP's bodies are still extremely similar in shape (I did a comparison of the horizon and the stagemaster... amazing. Also, the M-II which is still made in japan shares the same sustainer/superstrat pacer imperial /proaxe body shape. I'd say it's closest to the proaxe but obvously 25.5 scale instead of 24.75
I also saw the bolt-on version of the M-II comes with the same 3 (5) piece neck..
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Gibson sucks - Period.
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Their import line is probably made in the same factory as Jackson & ESP.
Maybe the Indonesian crap, sure. Japan factory: no.
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why not contract with ESP for authentic stuff? I mean, ESP's bodies are still extremely similar in shape (I did a comparison of the horizon and the stagemaster... amazing. Also, the M-II which is still made in japan shares the same sustainer/superstrat pacer imperial /proaxe body shape. I'd say it's closest to the proaxe but obvously 25.5 scale instead of 24.75
I also saw the bolt-on version of the M-II comes with the same 3 (5) piece neck..

The ESP Maverick is the Proaxe body, 24 fret short scale neck.


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why not contract with ESP for authentic stuff?
Gibson's ego would never allow that
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It just ain't happening, there is no real Kramer anymore it is all smoke and mirrors - when Yo went down that was the end. Someone is just trying to sell an image of a brand/company to some sucker with too much money, gibson just wants to get some money for a dead name.

Don't get me wrong I am probably one of the biggest Kramer fans - old and new Yo ones - on the planet, I've just seen it all. Be nice if I was wrong but it just ain't happening...
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I dont think you said something wrong Jon,its the fn truth.
If someone cant see the truth then he's wrong and its his problem.
Sad for Kramer but truth.

PM had a good idea,Gibson should sell the brand to someone who has balls and ambition.
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Doc did you have the white maverick with the maple board and the rev headstock?
Thats amazing!
I've seen a photo of it somewhere in here.
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I've always thought the maverick was more the nightswan appearance.. with the smaller lower horn and thickened but rounded upper horn etc. and shorter scale as well.

I wouldn't mind if gibson sold the name to someone. I mean, gotta go here again but ESP is doing incredibly well growth wise, and they have many brands.. Edwards, Navigator, Grass roots or whatever the low-level one is, LTD, and ESP itself. If ESP Owned Kramer it wouldn't be a big deal and I'd be happy as they made many of the parts (and all parts on later models). I mean, even if they didn't have an american made line to start, I'd be perfectly happy with an expansive Focus japan-made line. I'd at least consider buying them is what I mean. I am gonna check out this new import pacer imperial if I can find one, though I'm not really that interested because as much as I like the beak.. I'd rather have a pointy and the price of this new import will be close to what it would cost to just buy a used real one.
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I agree LWolf.
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